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Post by erj14 on Jul 21, 2022 8:48:15 GMT
Each season that passes it becomes pretty clear Eagles are no longer the great club we once thought they were Great fanbase Great history Great community basketball programme Great arena I give them credit for all of the above But poor, average or even non existent at so many other things Let's be brutally honest? Big room for improvements on and off the court They have very much been left behind in so many ways When's the last time one of their players or staff had a testimonial? Eagles fans out there - do you ever question your owner about what's going on? Or just accept what comes your way? On social media Eagles often use the tagline: "Once an Eagle - always an Eagle" What do the club do for players to justify that? Sounds pretty hollow to me Disagree. The things you've listed as 'great' are what I would consider to be the most important ingredients of what a sustainable basketball club should be. The stuff that Eagles don't do so well, for me are 'the nice to have's'. I'm sure they'll get there with it at some point. I might not agree with every decision the ownership make, but I'd rather have them running my local team than anyone else in the BBL. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 21, 2022 11:47:59 GMT
I said a while ago he was told that he wasn't wanted back by Eagles... Steutal is a deeply insecure man, Fletcher's a bigger personality than him and he couldn't handle that. Anyone noticed that the BBL site won't acknowledge Vince is coach at Manchester? Even in yesterday's signings round-up he's not mentioned, but the other coaching changes are. I'm not sure where people have got the impression those 2 don't get on from especially when Marc hasn't even started for us yet. Although it would make sense unless Fletch or someone announces the reason Fletch is no longer an Eagle. However the club has finally now released a statement thanking Fletch and wishing him goodluck. newcastle-eagles.com/news/club-statement-rahmon-fletcher/ |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 21, 2022 11:53:24 GMT
Manchester apparently paying him 6k a month, everyone in the league is moving for that, including geno.
You're aiming at the wrong club inf London are you're new rival, bore us with nonsense about them
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Post by jumbo on Jul 21, 2022 13:31:33 GMT
Someone is clearly putting up some proper money. In bbl terms. Or at least selling the dream. By the sounds of it the biggest signing is still to come. Gonna be some starting 5. Means there should be at least 2 teams that can give London a semi competitive game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 14:01:50 GMT
Steutal is a deeply insecure man, Fletcher's a bigger personality than him and he couldn't handle that. Anyone noticed that the BBL site won't acknowledge Vince is coach at Manchester? Even in yesterday's signings round-up he's not mentioned, but the other coaching changes are. I'm not sure where people have got the impression those 2 don't get on from especially when Marc hasn't even started for us yet. Although it would make sense unless Fletch or someone announces the reason Fletch is no longer an Eagle. However the club has finally now released a statement thanking Fletch and wishing him goodluck. newcastle-eagles.com/news/club-statement-rahmon-fletcher/He was gone long before Vince took over at Giants. I'm told it was quite obvious from his first conversation with Steutal that it wasn't going to work. Steutal doesn't really get on with experienced players, he did well with Team Northumbria because he had young players and their scholarships depended on obeying the coach. Grown adults aren't the same and Fletcher would have been an obvious caretaker coach if things went badly. He might even have been the next Fab.... |
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Post by irf on Jul 21, 2022 15:54:13 GMT
Each season that passes it becomes pretty clear Eagles are no longer the great club we once thought they were Great fanbase Great history Great community basketball programme Great arena I give them credit for all of the above But poor, average or even non existent at so many other things Let's be brutally honest? Big room for improvements on and off the court They have very much been left behind in so many ways When's the last time one of their players or staff had a testimonial? Eagles fans out there - do you ever question your owner about what's going on? Or just accept what comes your way? On social media Eagles often use the tagline: "Once an Eagle - always an Eagle" What do the club do for players to justify that? Sounds pretty hollow to me A club “left behind” because they don’t do testimonials? Never change lad… That's just one example Bigz No social media Don't develop young players Matchnight Experience same old thing they always did Shallow squads Failed to make playoffs Shadow of their former selves |
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 21, 2022 16:33:49 GMT
I'm not sure where people have got the impression those 2 don't get on from especially when Marc hasn't even started for us yet. Although it would make sense unless Fletch or someone announces the reason Fletch is no longer an Eagle. However the club has finally now released a statement thanking Fletch and wishing him goodluck. newcastle-eagles.com/news/club-statement-rahmon-fletcher/He was gone long before Vince took over at Giants. I'm told it was quite obvious from his first conversation with Steutal that it wasn't going to work. Steutal doesn't really get on with experienced players, he did well with Team Northumbria because he had young players and their scholarships depended on obeying the coach. Grown adults aren't the same and Fletcher would have been an obvious caretaker coach if things went badly. He might even have been the next Fab.... I suppose I believe that but if he as Acting GB head coach he was working with fairly strong calibre and experienced players on the GB roster though. I do get your point about Fletcher being assistant coach but next Fab might be an overstep. Plus if that was the case why was he not stepping in when Ian didn't have a handle on things last year? Surely if he wanted to steer the team in that sense last season would have been the perfect time for it. Although your point is certainly a lot more valid then IRF's last post. Although |
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Post by irf on Jul 21, 2022 17:00:45 GMT
Well according to Paul Blake a "reboot" is coming at Eagles
Hopefully the new team gels quickly
First home game for Eagles is against
You guessed it -
Giants
Nice start for Steutel
No pressure !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 13:32:50 GMT
He was gone long before Vince took over at Giants. I'm told it was quite obvious from his first conversation with Steutal that it wasn't going to work. Steutal doesn't really get on with experienced players, he did well with Team Northumbria because he had young players and their scholarships depended on obeying the coach. Grown adults aren't the same and Fletcher would have been an obvious caretaker coach if things went badly. He might even have been the next Fab.... I suppose I believe that but if he as Acting GB head coach he was working with fairly strong calibre and experienced players on the GB roster though. I do get your point about Fletcher being assistant coach but next Fab might be an overstep. Plus if that was the case why was he not stepping in when Ian didn't have a handle on things last year? Surely if he wanted to steer the team in that sense last season would have been the perfect time for it. Although your point is certainly a lot more valid then IRF's last post. Although I think a few days here and there with the GB squad is a bit different, especially as he was in a caretaker role. I guess previous coaches at Eagles weren't as paranoid. Time will tell whether Steutal is a success. Thanks for the compliment, although it's a low bar. I try not to be repetative. |
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Post by mac on Jul 22, 2022 15:12:40 GMT
So let's get this straight. IRF has told us all Summer that Eagles need to move on but then suggests the club shows no loyalty when they do. Really? I know it's the close season and we're desperate for news but this is a new IRF low. Give it up buddy, we know your opinions on Eagles and we're really not bothered. 🙂
When Fletch returns his welcome will take the roof off. I wish him every success playing against any other team. Just not against us. 😜
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Post by irf on Jul 22, 2022 19:23:12 GMT
So let's get this straight. IRF has told us all Summer that Eagles need to move on but then suggests the club shows no loyalty when they do. Really? I know it's the close season and we're desperate for news but this is a new IRF low. Give it up buddy, we know your opinions on Eagles and we're really not bothered. 🙂 When Fletch returns his welcome will take the roof off. I wish him every success playing against any other team. Just not against us. 😜 Mac you say it's the close season and we are all desperate for news? Riders give us news on our social media pretty much daily about our BBL Team Keeps us interested and in the loop I've checked Eagles Twitter. Your BBL team has been mentioned twice since early June!! Twice!! And once was to say you had players involved in Robs Testimonial An Eagles fan on here mentions its not really on finding out your star player for the last 8 years plus has left from the club signing him He's right You've got great support but clearly do not even have a social media manager Grassroots football teams and cricket teams have someone managing social media I suggest you are living in dark ages at Eagles I think I'm right Social media managers (if you can't afford them) don't have to be full time. They can even be volunteers. But honestly a club at your level and with your arena should be talking about your BBL team on social media 3 or 4 times a week Twice in two months!! Should be doing better. Especially as clubs they used to dominate on and off the court are stepping up on and off the court Your club lost a big sponsor and has failed to replace them well. It led to your owner saying finances were tight last season Trust me new sponsors of any note will want way more social media presence than your club delivers |
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 22, 2022 20:25:04 GMT
I suppose I believe that but if he as Acting GB head coach he was working with fairly strong calibre and experienced players on the GB roster though. I do get your point about Fletcher being assistant coach but next Fab might be an overstep. Plus if that was the case why was he not stepping in when Ian didn't have a handle on things last year? Surely if he wanted to steer the team in that sense last season would have been the perfect time for it. Although your point is certainly a lot more valid then IRF's last post. Although I think a few days here and there with the GB squad is a bit different, especially as he was in a caretaker role. I guess previous coaches at Eagles weren't as paranoid. Time will tell whether Steutal is a success. Thanks for the compliment, although it's a low bar. I try not to be repetative. You are right about coaching the GB national team being different to coaching a BBL side. Although I'm still confused by where the insecurity about Steutal is coming from? Until he's done atleast half a season as coach I wouldn't be able to say what his personality is like incharge but am expecting big things. Although if true I suppose getting Steutel and losing Fletch is was like the horror story the Monkey paw curse. I got the person I wanted in charge of Eagles but have lost our star point guard as the price. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 22, 2022 20:30:10 GMT
So let's get this straight. IRF has told us all Summer that Eagles need to move on but then suggests the club shows no loyalty when they do. Really? I know it's the close season and we're desperate for news but this is a new IRF low. Give it up buddy, we know your opinions on Eagles and we're really not bothered. 🙂 When Fletch returns his welcome will take the roof off. I wish him every success playing against any other team. Just not against us. 😜 Your not wrong there Mac, to be honest I'm at the point where I laugh more at IRF's criticism rather then argue it. I would love to know in his eye if their is anything good the Eagles do that has nothing to do with Riders? We could offer Riders fans free transport and complimentary hotel stay to an Eagles Home match against and somehow he'd find some way to criticise and say we should have done something different. |
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Post by irf on Jul 22, 2022 21:09:44 GMT
So let's get this straight. IRF has told us all Summer that Eagles need to move on but then suggests the club shows no loyalty when they do. Really? I know it's the close season and we're desperate for news but this is a new IRF low. Give it up buddy, we know your opinions on Eagles and we're really not bothered. 🙂 When Fletch returns his welcome will take the roof off. I wish him every success playing against any other team. Just not against us. 😜 Your not wrong there Mac, to be honest I'm at the point where I laugh more at IRF's criticism rather then argue it. I would love to know in his eye if their is anything good the Eagles do that has nothing to do with Riders? We could offer Riders fans free transport and complimentary hotel stay to an Eagles Home match against and somehow he'd find some way to criticise and say we should have done something different. You Eagles fans should actually focus on the poster spreading awful rumours about Steutel being insecure around experienced players Rather than complain about me pointing out your club is lagging well behind the times in some very basic areas. Which is hard to argue with TBH I've backed up what I've said with a few facts The other poster has just made an accusation with nothing to back it up? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 22:12:32 GMT
It's not an awful rumour, it's an opinion. I know the guy and I know players who've played for him. You can judge my opinion in a year's time. Let's see what kind of Americans he signs.
Genuine question, and tell me to mind my own business if you like. But do you have any experience running a basketball club or in the media? My wife is a media manager and her theory is that you don't bore people with non news and if there's nothing to say two months before the season starts, say nothing. The punters will take more notice when you have something to say.
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 22, 2022 22:42:08 GMT
Okay let's agree to disagree and draw the line here before this goes any deeper.
However scrolling through the Eagles Facebook page I think we have plenty of social media I impact and really don't see much difference between us and Leicester on that front other then different stories.
And Riders and Eagles aside what about the other 8 teams in the league and their social media presence?
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Post by irf on Jul 22, 2022 22:47:37 GMT
It's not an awful rumour, it's an opinion. I know the guy and I know players who've played for him. You can judge my opinion in a year's time. Let's see what kind of Americans he signs. Genuine question, and tell me to mind my own business if you like. But do you have any experience running a basketball club or in the media? My wife is a media manager and her theory is that you don't bore people with non news and if there's nothing to say two months before the season starts, say nothing. The punters will take more notice when you have something to say. I was being clever with the "awful" remark It may be true but I won't judge him yet Your wife might be right for many businesses But let her know that this is a business that doesn't just sell to the public They badly NEED sponsors Sponsors want their brands do get as much social media as possible Eagles are badly lacking in social media And are badly lacking in the sponsorship they need Am I wrong on either count? Be honest? |
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Post by irf on Jul 22, 2022 22:50:02 GMT
Okay let's agree to disagree and draw the line here before this goes any deeper. However scrolling through the Eagles Facebook page I think we have plenty of social media I impact and really don't see much difference between us and Leicester on that front other then different stories. And Riders and Eagles aside what about the other 8 teams in the league and their social media presence? I've not had time to analyse any others But there's simply no comparison between Riders and Eagles Joe Pinchin was so good he landed an NBA job. The stuff he put together was the highest quality And whoever does the job now is clearly attempting to follow suit Commercial sponsorship again compare both clubs. There is simply no comparison again Eagles lag behind so much It's just how it is right now No sign of Eagles changing anything though You should want to be the best at everything Best fanbase. Needs more in other areas to compete with Riders. Let alone compete with Lions. |
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Post by erj14 on Jul 23, 2022 0:12:44 GMT
Okay let's agree to disagree and draw the line here before this goes any deeper. However scrolling through the Eagles Facebook page I think we have plenty of social media I impact and really don't see much difference between us and Leicester on that front other then different stories. And Riders and Eagles aside what about the other 8 teams in the league and their social media presence? Our social media really isn't very good and lags behind most other BBL teams. It lacks imagination and they've done the same old things for years. If it weren't for Sky, I wouldn't have seen a single interview with a player pretty much all year. That's poor, fans need to engage with players on a more personal level than reading quotes in newspaper style articles with silly pun headlines. It's dark ages stuff really. Having said that, there is lots to be positive about within the club which has already been listed earlier in this thread. IRF is spot on regarding social media presence though. |
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2022 6:28:31 GMT
Okay let's agree to disagree and draw the line here before this goes any deeper. However scrolling through the Eagles Facebook page I think we have plenty of social media I impact and really don't see much difference between us and Leicester on that front other then different stories. And Riders and Eagles aside what about the other 8 teams in the league and their social media presence? It lacks imagination and they've done the same old things for years. That's where Eagles are at in lots of areas But you have to recognise a problem to solve it Eagles need several "reboots" On and off the court |
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