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Post by baldereagle on May 2, 2022 12:11:02 GMT
No idea when it's being announced but who's in the running ?
Of course it should be Fletch as it should have been last year, but when his team didn't even make the playoffs....
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Post by milehigh on May 2, 2022 12:45:11 GMT
It is very hard for a player to be the legue MVP while playing for a side that failed to make the play off's and lost 63% of it's games.
For me it has to be Geno Crandell, who was the most influential player on the most successful side, with a strong commendation to Rashad Hassan, who had a massive influence on the Plymouth side.
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Post by blueskies99 on May 2, 2022 13:07:24 GMT
Don’t forget that it’s the coaches who vote in this and I’m not sure how much stats come into their decision making.
From a personal viewpoint I can understand Crandall getting it but Patrick Whelan has been pretty valuable to the Riders too.
A few seasons ago I nominated Tyler Bernadine but at the time it was ridiculed on that other forum. I think in the fullness of time people began to realise how valuable he was to his team.
So…….in the same vein…. I nominate Conner Washington.
(puts on tin hat and waits)
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Post by Stephen Abootman on May 2, 2022 16:20:55 GMT
Not even Vince thinks it's Fletcher this year. It also isn't Conner.
In terms of non-Riders Jordan Johnson is probably the strongest contender. Played a full season and put up very good numbers on a team that's had a reasonable year. Cup and Trophy semi-finalists. Still alive in the playoffs. Ultimately though, I don't think he or his club have done quite enough. Outside of Riders and Scorchers, every team has had a very mid-table feel about them this year. There's no clear cut best of the rest type team, and no team that looks to have obviously overachieved. Makes it very hard not to give it to a Rider.
Think most are in agreement at this point that it's between Crandall and Whelan. Around the turn of the year I thought Geno looked a strong favourite to repeat. His individual numbers, though still good, have taken a bit of a hit since then. And a couple of months ago I was starting to lean towards Patrick. After a strong April I'm probably back with Geno. Come the end of the playoffs I might have changed my mind again.
I imagine Geno will get the vote. He's the easy choice if you can't be arsed to think about it too much. And he'd be a perfectly good choice. But there's certainly a pretty strong case to be made for Patrick. 12 months ago I didn't even know Jordan had a brother. Don't think too many heads were turned when he was announced as a Rider. And I thought he'd probably slot in as a (hopefully) decent bench player. Clearly he's massively eclipsed that expectation. He's ended up as a key starter. He's arguably been the most consistent guy on the team. He's made threes look like layups all year long. And he's surely been the league's standout Brit. What he's done must, I'd have thought, be considered far more unexpected than what Geno has done. And one could argue that actually makes him more valuable.
Regardless of who gets the nod, Whelan has unquestionably been the find of the year and re-signing him should be one of the club's top priorities this summer.
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Post by isthaturinal on May 2, 2022 17:22:08 GMT
I’ll definitely second Blueskies99 with a shout for Patrick Whelan,
He’s been outstanding all season in a calm and quiet way,
For me he’s our dagger who can throw up a massive crucial shot when needed to knock out the opposition
As for Geno he’s letting himself down lately with his continued antics regarding the refs decisions
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Post by spacejammer on May 2, 2022 18:02:51 GMT
Surely its got to be Geno or someone from Leicester Riders.
Or if it is from another team it would have to atleast be a top 5 team.
Maybe Tyrik Armstrong of Manchester could be a potential choice as well.
Although Larry Austin Jr of Nix has been a great advocate for Cheshire particularly in the Trophy Final but they finished 6th in the league.
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Post by irf on May 2, 2022 18:04:42 GMT
Surely its got to be Geno or someone from Leicester Riders. Or if it is from another team it would have to atleast be a top 5 team. Maybe Tyrik Armstrong of Manchester could be a potential choice as well. Although Larry Austin Jr of Nix has been a great advocate for Cheshire particularly in the Trophy Final but they finished 6th in the league. Could Whelan and Crandall split the vote for a Riders player and someone from another club sneak in the back door? |
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Post by stevetino on May 2, 2022 18:59:15 GMT
2 players impressed me Armstrong from Manchester & Bristol’s big guy, can’t remember his name but he goes under the radar
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Post by dexter on May 2, 2022 19:03:57 GMT
Geno Crandall
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Post by D44 on May 3, 2022 10:07:14 GMT
I think it's probably going to be Geno since it's based on coaches votes.
If I was going for a slight outsider not from Riders hard to look past Isiah Reese. Surprised no one has mentioned him. The MVP isn't going to go to a player whose team is hovering around the 50% mark much as I think Jordan Johnson and Booman deserve a shout.
Justin Gordon could have been in with a shout if he'd been at Eagles all season looking at his stats but would Eagles have made the playoffs with him all season instead of Shelton or Peel? Probably unlikely
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Post by irf on May 3, 2022 10:16:39 GMT
If there's any consistency then Crandall should win it
Fletch used to win it just for being the best player in the league even when Eagles didn't win the league
Crandall is the best player in the league for a team that's just won the league by the biggest points margin in BBL history
We are just discussing other players for the sake of it surely?
Surely it's never been more clear cut than this?
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Post by LTfan on May 3, 2022 11:34:10 GMT
I think it's probably going to be Geno since it's based on coaches votes. If I was going for a slight outsider not from Riders hard to look past Isiah Reese. Surprised no one has mentioned him. The MVP isn't going to go to a player whose team is hovering around the 50% mark much as I think Jordan Johnson and Booman deserve a shout. Justin Gordon could have been in with a shout if he'd been at Eagles all season looking at his stats but would Eagles have made the playoffs with him all season instead of Shelton or Peel? Probably unlikely My vote would go to Geno Crandell or Patrick Whelan. But I'd vote for Dirk Williams before Isiah Reese for overall consistency throughout the season. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 3, 2022 14:43:41 GMT
I’ll definitely second Blueskies99 with a shout for Patrick Whelan, He’s been outstanding all season in a calm and quiet way, For me he’s our dagger who can throw up a massive crucial shot when needed to knock out the opposition As for Geno he’s letting himself down lately with his continued antics regarding the refs decisions Pretty ironic that he moans even when defenders get called for fouling him. Would he like them to be summarily shot? We'll need him to be on his best form against Rocks. If he is we shouldn't have any problems. Time to put up, shut up and stop being a diva. |
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Post by A tall man on May 3, 2022 15:22:44 GMT
If you take it as what it actually means it's a 1 horse race. Its antonio Williams, he took a winless team to the playoffs. Without him Plymouth don't win a game. He was the most valuable to his team.
That being said its very rare any league actually gives it to the most valuable player.
It's geno
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Post by irf on May 3, 2022 15:44:26 GMT
If you take it as what it actually means it's a 1 horse race. Its antonio Williams, he took a winless team to the playoffs. Without him Plymouth don't win a game. He was the most valuable to his team. That being said its very rare any league actually gives it to the most valuable player. It's geno I have to ask what value exactly comes from finishing 8th in league and going out in the first round of the playoffs? |
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Post by irf on May 3, 2022 15:48:15 GMT
If you take it as what it actually means it's a 1 horse race. Its antonio Williams, he took a winless team to the playoffs. Without him Plymouth don't win a game. He was the most valuable to his team. That being said its very rare any league actually gives it to the most valuable player. It's geno I have to ask what value exactly comes from finishing 8th in league and going out in the first round of the playoffs? But of course he can be MVP at his club |
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Post by A tall man on May 3, 2022 16:58:07 GMT
If you take it as what it actually means it's a 1 horse race. Its antonio Williams, he took a winless team to the playoffs. Without him Plymouth don't win a game. He was the most valuable to his team. That being said its very rare any league actually gives it to the most valuable player. It's geno I have to ask what value exactly comes from finishing 8th in league and going out in the first round of the playoffs? Crowds were below 500 when he arrived, sell outs come the end so if you're talking monetary value it's in the thousands. If you're talking in the merch I believe his Jersey auction alone was close a grand also. Or if you're talking wins it's 12, if we compare this to geno for example, he missed what 1 game? Riders comfortably won in double digits too. Realistically a good team is always more valuable than an individual, that's why this award it's stupid, it's a team game not a solo event. Williams value to patriots far outweighs genos value to the riders, doesn't mean he's better, just more valuable to his team which is what the mvp is supposed to be. If we're talking who adds most value to the league then it wouldn't be a player at all, in fact I'd name 2 members of riders before I mentioned a player |
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Post by irf on May 3, 2022 19:33:33 GMT
Cream rises to the top
The best players end up at the best teams one way or another
Either in this league or elsewhere
If he's got a good agent and he's single handedly added 500 plus to the Plymouth crowds he should be demanding life changing money to stay there!
Or be heading for a much more lucrative contract elsewhere
(How many would Crandall add to the crowds at a poor team in BBL - if he ever had to play for one?)
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Post by A tall man on May 3, 2022 20:20:05 GMT
Cream does rise to the top but that's not the award is it, its most valuable not best, hes not a top 10 player in the league by a long shot but his value to the team is greater.
I'd be highly surprised to see him back in the bbl next year, this was a last minute deal as he didn't have a contact
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Post by irf on May 3, 2022 20:42:50 GMT
Isn't MVP the equivalent of man of the match in a game of football or player of the season
I do consider it to be best player myself?
Maybe the word value is misleading
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