Coaching

[A tall man]

Are bbl coaches really that good?

Obviously I know some are good in the bbl but if you look at their careers out of the current list of head coaches only 2.5 coached a professional team before their current job.

Do you have to be good to be a coach or just a little bit better than someone else?

[mac]

Sorry what? Two and a half?

[A tall man]

Creon coached semi pro for the mohawks if memory serves me right. Semi pro I'm classing as a half pro gig

[irf]

Apr 1, 2022 21:28:28 GMT A tall man said:

Are bbl coaches really that good?

Obviously I know some are good in the bbl but if you look at their careers out of the current list of head coaches only 2.5 coached a professional team before their current job.

Do you have to be good to be a coach or just a little bit better than someone else?

What salary do you think most of them get?

Not sure what pro club any of them could have coached at previously where aspiring to get a Head Coach job in BBL could be possible?

[SamH]

I think Nurse and Finch have answered that question by now! Or if that's too cliché, how about Reservoir Bob and Fab? I'm sure there are others who went on to bigger and better things too, not NBA perhaps, but still high standard.

The way I see it is, you don't have to be an EXPERIENCED coach to get a gig in the BBL, it is a good starting league for a lot of coaches - but if you are naturally good and develop that talent then you BECOME a great coach in the BBL - the only question then is how long you stay for before going on to bigger and better things. Very much like players really - no talented player earning six figures in Europe or wherever is going to sign for a BBL team (unless old father time is catching up with them or something). But great players might start out here before moving on to higher standard and paid leagues.

[irf]

Apr 1, 2022 23:46:29 GMT SamH said:

I think Nurse and Finch have answered that question by now! Or if that's too cliché, how about Reservoir Bob and Fab? I'm sure there are others who went on to bigger and better things too, not NBA perhaps, but still high standard.

The way I see it is, you don't have to be an EXPERIENCED coach to get a gig in the BBL, it is a good starting league for a lot of coaches - but if you are naturally good and develop that talent then you BECOME a great coach in the BBL - the only question then is how long you stay for before going on to bigger and better things. Very much like players really - no talented player earning six figures in Europe or wherever is going to sign for a BBL team (unless old father time is catching up with them or something). But great players might start out here before moving on to higher standard and paid leagues.

A coach in BBL really needs a viable budget and resources around them that are consistent as well to be successful

Right coach and right resources at Riders leads to the consistent success

[A tall man]

So do you think you can be a poor coach and have a long career in the bbl then? It just seems whenever a team hires an experienced coach they're the best (or top 2 or 3 ) team in the league. Lavinder at Glasgow, coffino in Cheshire. Instant great teams with the experienced coach


Re budget inf I've seen posts for 4k and 65k a year, quite the range!

[SamH]

No I don't think coaches with poor records stay in post too long or get hired by other teams generally. Perhaps those ones don't make it as coaches long term, it would depend if they can get an opportunity anywhere else I guess.

[irf]

Apr 2, 2022 4:44:41 GMT A tall man said:

So do you think you can be a poor coach and have a long career in the bbl then? It just seems whenever a team hires an experienced coach they're the best (or top 2 or 3 ) team in the league. Lavinder at Glasgow, coffino in Cheshire. Instant great teams with the experienced coach


Re budget inf I've seen posts for 4k and 65k a year, quite the range!

Where do you think the current coach of Eagles (the best supported Club in BBL) lies within the salary range of head coaches?

I'd be tempted to suggest he is a cheap option?

[A tall man]

I'd hazard a guess (and it really is just a guess) he's on 40-50k

[irf]

Apr 2, 2022 11:13:37 GMT A tall man said:

I'd hazard a guess (and it really is just a guess) he's on 40-50k

I'd hazard a guess back he's closer to 25k than 50k

I'd also hazard a guess there will be several players at Eagles earning more than the coach

IMO

Speculation of course

[Solly]

Apr 2, 2022 4:44:41 GMT A tall man said:

So do you think you can be a poor coach and have a long career in the bbl then? 

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How many years has Creon now been at Surrey?


How many years have Surrey made the playoffs?


How many years have they had a plus 500 record?


How many years have they even reached double-digit wins?


Anyone know the W-L record over those years?


Even in that season when Wolves were appallingly bad, somehow Surrey managed to be even worse and still took the wooden spoon.


Yet there have been players there over the years who have gone onto much better things.


Only been one constant over all those years and years and years...

[irf]

Apr 2, 2022 11:25:57 GMT Solly said:

Apr 2, 2022 4:44:41 GMT A tall man said:

So do you think you can be a poor coach and have a long career in the bbl then? 

?

How many years has Creon now been at Surrey?


How many years have Surrey made the playoffs?


How many years have they had a plus 500 record?


How many years have they even reached double-digit wins?


Anyone know the W-L record over those years?


Even in that season when Wolves were appallingly bad, somehow Surrey managed to be even worse and still took the wooden spoon.


Yet there have been players there over the years who have gone onto much better things.


Only been one constant over all those years and years and years...

TBF Surrey will constantly have had one of the lowest player budgets?

[Solly]

irf - no room for any TBFs in the case of Surrey.

We can all make mistakes, and occasionally repeat mistakes, but WTF do Surrey think they are achieving or are ever going to achieve when year after year they just do the same thing?

Frequent sellout crowds but constant disappointments.

[irf]

Apr 2, 2022 11:40:45 GMT Solly said:

irf - no room for any TBFs in the case of Surrey.

We can all make mistakes, and occasionally repeat mistakes, but WTF do Surrey think they are achieving or are ever going to achieve when year after year they just do the same thing?

Frequent sellout crowds but constant disappointments.

I will be honest

I never even expect for Surrey to challenge for anything as I've always assumed they are near the bottom of the pile for wages and resources to spend on a squad

Am I wrong?

[SamH]

It's normal for the players, at least the better ones, to get paid more than the coach isn't it? Certainly true in the NBA. I always find that odd as how many 'normal' jobs do you know where the boss earns less than the workers?!

[spacejammer]

Apr 2, 2022 11:48:57 GMT irf said:

Apr 2, 2022 11:40:45 GMT Solly said:

irf - no room for any TBFs in the case of Surrey.

We can all make mistakes, and occasionally repeat mistakes, but WTF do Surrey think they are achieving or are ever going to achieve when year after year they just do the same thing?

Frequent sellout crowds but constant disappointments.

I will be honest

I never even expect for Surrey to challenge for anything as I've always assumed they are near the bottom of the pile for wages and resources to spend on a squad

Am I wrong?

Didn't Surrey once have Paul James as its head coach and once went to go play in Europe?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Scorchers

I agree they are a franchise in decline but they have had some past success and are a different kettle of fish in terms of expectations right now.

I know money doesn't necessarily buy you the league as Lions have shown but with an extra (and also trustworthy) investor a higher cash flow could help transform that club.

And last season they did make it to the BBL Trophy semi finals so did challenge for something.
They have also had some existing teams and some good players such as Cam Hildreth who I hear is doing well in college.

I also quite enjoyed listening to Creon on the BBL show the other week as well.
It actually gave me a little more respect for him after hearing his story.
I mean anything can happen and when you look at the revival of the Patriots then I believe their is nothing to suggest Surrey won't one day be able to turn things around either.

[A tall man]

The 4k gig was some years ago now, lowest paid this season is slightly more than your guess for mac so I'm told.

I also know several clubs have always had smaller budgets than surrey's and beaten them, creon is a lovely guy it seems but players abuse the system there and leave before they've played 10 gamed.

Pj coached Guildford heat and the tigers which were the 2nd and 3rd franchise reimaginations, we're on the 5th now I believe lol

[A tall man]

Apr 2, 2022 12:44:47 GMT SamH said:

It's normal for the players, at least the better ones, to get paid more than the coach isn't it? Certainly true in the NBA. I always find that odd as how many 'normal' jobs do you know where the boss earns less than the workers?!

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I think in most pro sports this is the case isn't it? Bbl always have to be unique somehow!

[irf]

Apr 2, 2022 12:44:47 GMT SamH said:

It's normal for the players, at least the better ones, to get paid more than the coach isn't it? Certainly true in the NBA. I always find that odd as how many 'normal' jobs do you know where the boss earns less than the workers?!

Highest earner at Riders is Rob

Maybe that's why he's stuck around so long